This recording was made on the eve of Russian opposition protests in 2012
Translated on March 2, 2015 by Kristina Rus
Nemtsov’s statements are in bold
18:00 – 27:00 Nemtsov and Tikhomirova:
We have a meeting at 3:30 in the lobby of hotel National
Hotel “National” lobby?
There is a cafe
How about, what do you call it … I think Hyatt is closer to me
I think “National” is convenient, because I told them – near the Central Telegraph
Yes, Telegraph on Tverskaya. Ritz, how about Ritz?
No, we don’t want to go to Ritz. Who does a revolution at the Ritz? (laughter)
And who does a revolution at the “National”? (laughter)
Ok, try to talk them into my offer, I can tell you, their offer is simply unacceptable, I will simply be against it, it will turn the event into boring crap.
I understand, again, we don’t have any aggressive desires to steal anything from anyone, we all have a desire to continue this wave.
I am just asking to consider this. Rykhlin is coming, who is categorically against their offer, but I am simply suggesting … I am offering to discuss this calmly
And we need a schedule, we have one hour for the discussion, they need to be constructive, they are normal smart guys, aren’t they?
They are absolutely constructive, they are relaxed and calm
It’s just that they are euphoric… As always, when people achieve something they get euphoric.
Of course, of course
But I have been there done that. I know everything about this life, totally everything
Besides they are ready to find money
That’s true, money is important, but do you think whose money was used to organize the rally?
I know whose money was used to organize it
A search for money in this situation is a secondary issue (laughs) No, I am very glad, that they are in the same boat with us, as far as I understand they don’t have a problem with me?
Absolutely not, they are absolutely adequate, they are just afraid that it will turn into … because according to their opinion, the speeches of the politicians are boring crap, do you understand?
Nevertheless, the reaction to me was good
The reaction to you was good, but for example the reaction to Nastya Dontsova was not so good,
And Yavlinsky was not so good
And Yavlinsky was not so good, and the communists weren’t so good
Wait, may be it depends on the politician?
May be, may be
Wait, I think, they don’t understand anything. I will fix their brains. Politics is the same profession as journalism
Listen, they will share their impressions, and what is written and said in Facebook about the results of the meeting, they will tell you all of this, this is important, so you know about it
Ok, is it very negative about the politicians?
No, anyway the best performance was Akunin
Ok, what did he say, I left…
You left, I will let you listen to it
What did he say?
He said that we should make up a committee of 15 people, which would present demands to the Kremlin about what we want to do, and how concretely
Ok, so it turned into our demands, what else?
Akunin was excellent, besides he now wants to participate in everything
Akunin is a smart dude, of course he was good. I don’t want to see writers in the organizing committee, because its a destructive element
This is not the organizing committee for the rally, it’s a different committee
He can participate in a different one
Anyway, Rykhlin is coming too at 3:30, on your side
Can you tell me the participants
Tikhon, Ilya Krasilshyk
Parkhom is not around, he is in Piter. Rykhlin, you and I
Ok, I like that. Do they have clout with Parkhom or is he going to say, go f%ck yourself?
Yes, they have clout with Parkhom, besides Rykhlin has clout with Parkhom, because they are friends
I know that, Parkhom is my friend too
Ok, are they internet moderators?
Yes, they are moderators. Besides, look, Ilya Krasilshik has absolutely apolitical readers, him and his magazine, however the rally became the main topic of everything.
The magazine “Big City”, Phillip Didko, Tikhon’s brother… the same thing
Is Phillip going to be there?
No, Phillip will not be there, Tikhon will be there
Tikhon is a good guy
Tikhon is great
What is Tikhon in charge of, what does he do?
First of all they invite everyone, second of all, they look like an absolutely neutral side from the perspective of any politician.
I understand, Olya
They decide everything together, there is a group: Ilya, Tikhon, Kashin, Phillip
Is Kashin with them?
Kashin is with them
Excellent, I like that, ok
But there will be two, with whom we actively worked, Tikhon and Ilya, Philip
And their idol is Navalny, as far as I understand?
No, only Kashin
What about Tikhon and Ilya?
Absolutely no idols
So they have no political goal to endorse anyone?
That’s not good, by the way, do you know why?
It’s a loss of horizons. Again, not bad for us, but in general
Let me explain, they represent the internet crowd, which …
Yes, which turns out to be very numerous….
Yes it’s very numerous, but is an absolutely amorphous mass. What they f$cken tell them, they will go there.
It’s a crowd … Yes, yes, yes… It is very inert, it is very vulnerable to different conferences … to consolidate it you need a will. Such will has Navalny, listen, who is a specialist in manipulating internet crowds, and politicians, who don’t cause a very strong rejection, like myself
You should talk to them about this Internet crowd, about who these people are, I think we don’t understand them somewhat, because we live in the different world, talk to them…
Don’t overestimate it
I am not overestimating, I don’t know, I don’t have an answer to that question, I don’t know
Ok, 3:30 National cafe, bye
Check back soon for Part 3 …