June 22, 2015
ZDF TV (Germany)
Translated by Kristina Rus
Harald Kujat is a retired German General of the Luftwaffe. He served as Chief of Staff of the German armed forces, the Bundeswehr, from 2000 to 2002, and as Chairman of the NATO Military Committee from 2002 to 2005.
I believe that we hear too much speculation in all of these discussions, including regarding the Russian aggression. Of course Russia supports the separatists, no one is denying that, but I have not yet seen proof that Russia has invaded Ukraine with regular army.
For example, several weeks ago – the announcement of Ukrainian president about 23 armored Russian vehicles were destroyed on Ukrainian territory. I have not seen a single photo. I don’t know what happened to surviving Russian soldiers, and to the dead Russian soldiers.
We have seen five satellite images, which were supposed to prove Russian troops are on Ukrainian territory. Three images clearly show, they were made on the Russian territory. And the other two images were simply alleged to have been made on the Ukrainian territory. Images from the Russian territory had location data, images from the Ukrainian territory had no location data.
I am skeptical. And not only we have to be skeptical what Russia tells us, but we also have to be very skeptical about what Ukraine says, and, unfortunately, we have to be skeptical about what the West tells us (Applause) [Welcome to the East, Germany! – KR]
We must make very measured and careful steps in this situation.
We must clearly understand that a political solution can only be reached with Putin, and not against Putin.
I do not want to defend Russia right now, a Russian ambassador is here, and he can do that. I am simply for being honest with ourselves, not to lie to ourselves, otherwise we will not be able to estimate the situation correctly, and will not help in its analysis.
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