Alexander Boroday: “Ukraine will collapse no matter what” (Part 1)

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November 10, 2015 –

Valentin Filippov, PolitNavigator – 

Translated for Fort Russ by J. Arnoldski

A philosopher by heritage and soldier of the Empire. Political strategist and top-manager who ascertains geopolitical processes and turns out to be where he is needed. Crimea, Donbass, Russian Spring. Assassinations, armed clashes, and the position of leader of Novorossiya in the most critical period, when punitive battalions and part of the UAF attempted to break through defenses and bring the People’s Republics to their knees. He never had any free time. Here with us now is Alexander Boroday in an interview with PolitNavigator’s Valentin Filippov conducted on the move as well as over the phone. 

Valentin Filippov: Greetings, Alexander.

Alexander Boroday: Good day.

VF: Long ago, in a past life in February and March, 2014, did you know that everything would end with Crimea?

AB: What does “everything end with Crimea” mean? In my opinion, not everything is limited to Crimea…If you mean the phenomenon which is now called the Russian Spring, then everything wasn’t limited to Crimea. This is already a fact. An obvious one. And I think that it is still not limited. Because this is a wider-scale phenomenon than just something related to the fact that Crimea returned to Russia. And this was historically and legally predestined, right? But the phenomenon is much more widespread. I believe that the Russian Spring is part of the process of the revival of the Russian people, of the constituent peoples of our Russian state.

VF: I fully agree with you, but we live on Earth here and now. And people understand things in simple terms. Everyone waited for the border columns to be dragged, just as people came out at night, dug up the signs, and pulled them forward. And everyone waited for the whole affair to go to Transnistria after Odessa. But it didn’t happen.

AB: Wait. What does “it didn’t happen” mean? It hasn’t happened yet! Let’s say that I believe that historical processes are an irrevocable thing. There is a certain logic to historical development. And the resurgent Russian state which, frankly speaking, really found itself in a very difficult position after losing in Third World War and the Cold War, is now beginning to increase its power.

Even if this process will be interrupted in some kind of harsh, violent way, which, in my opinion, is unlikely, then the natural historical process will lead to the displacement of borders in one way or another. Legally, peacefully, or someway else. It’s not important by which way. It will lead, in the end, to the moving of the columns.

VF: Globally, that’ s all correct, but…

AB: This is a global process…which doesn’t just last days or months. It can happen at some point in an explosive, sharp way. Then this process can be inhibited and then be dragged on for years. 

Do you remember how the Russian state gathered itself together in the early middle ages? Sometimes, it gathered territories really quickly. At other times, this happened much slower. At one point, this process was rolled back a bit. Nevertheless, this movement is unstoppable. There is an overall trajectory.

VF: Everything is strategically possible. We always knew this. It’s just that, in 2014, we all hoped that this will happen in our lifetime… and we can still still get there. 

AB: Well, I hope that it will happen in our lifetime.

VF: I also am very hopeful. But, here we have the events in Crimea and the Russian Spring. The Russian Spring called for a mobilization of all those who could, all those who dreamed, all those who wanted…There is such a Russian army proverb: “A soldier without work is a potential criminal.”

AB: Well, yes! OF course! Everyone knows that.

VF: What are people to do? Here we are today. People who rose up now don’t know where to go…

AB: They rose up and don’t know where to go? Do you mean the volunteers? Not just anyone, but the volunteers first and foremost?

VF: Above all, yes. First and foremost.

AB: There is a part of the volunteers who believe that they have done everything that is possible. And they are returning to civilian life and civilian occupations. But, nevertheless, they are saving their readiness in the event of a necessity of getting back in line again. There is a part of the volunteers who would like to continue the struggle.

Well, what is to be done?

There are different forms and methods of struggle. There are different directions to a struggle. And, moreover, from time to time people need to rest.

The state and society are a living organism. A person is a living organism. Everyone needs some respite.

VF: Undoubtedly. But what if they decided to take a break and the authorities say to them “No, listen, you don’t have the right to rest here. Go to your Kherson or to Kharkov. There you can rest quietly to yourself. Who do you think you are? How did you get here and on what grounds? You aren’t even from Donetsk!”

AB: Well, in my opinion…you have in mind the process of returning those volunteers who came from other regions of Ukraine. 

VF: But not even returning. Maybe they wouldn’t like to return.

AB: I understand that these people don’t want to return. They have every right not to do this. In my opinion, absolutely.

And, of course, I believe that the state here should support them. Because returning to a state which is ideologically Nazi and which would perceive them as criminals – they, of course, can’t return there. And here, the Russian state needs to take a step forward. It’s just that the Russian state, like any bureaucratic machine, responds to impulses quite slowly. But the task of social organizations, including the Volunteers’ Union of Donbass, is to make the state respond faster, more precisely, and more correctly. 

In other words, those volunteers who left those territories which are now under the occupational government, the puppet government, the Kiev government – these people should have the right to Russian citizenship and to all related state support. 

VF: Well, you believe that it is simply a bureaucratic error. But look. A year ago, it was stated: “Come on, citizens of Ukraine, come to us, don’t fight, don’t be mobilized, don’t live in a fascist state.” And now time has passed and they say: “Well, it’s all over, you can go.” What do they have in mind? Is this an error? Or does the Russian state believe that the Ukrainian question is resolved, that everything has been agreed to, and that Ukraine has been transformed?

AB: You understand that I can’t answer for the Russian leadership.

VF: I understand.

AB: I am not an official. I am not a public servant. I just can’t comment on the point of view of the Russian State.

But, in my opinion, the situation is obvious to any reasonable person that, despite the fact that the Minsk Agreements have somewhat dampened the intensity of hostilities in Donbass, the Ukrainian state has not been reformatted. It remains (a) Nazi and (b) a puppet. It is a state directly controlled by the West. Above all, by the United States of America. Not even the West as a whole, because the West is overall a loose concept that includes Europe. Ukraine, as a matter of fact, is already a failed state that is undergoing disintegration, and that part of Ukraine which remains is under the Kiev government, and this is a puppet government which is really under the direct control of the United States. In fact, Russian officials are speaking about this, and I am not completely alone in this regard. I watched Lavrov’s commentary on this issue. It is, of course, the official position of the Russian authorities…

VF: Alexander, although you are a Muscovite and a citizen of the Russian Federation, my region is no foreign land to you. Odessa, Transnistria…

AB: As a participant in the Transnistrian War, of course!

VF: Well, yes!

AB: That was my youth! Of course! To put it mildly, I am not indifferent to Transnistria.

I was in Odessa, honestly speaking, only one time. Right after the war, I went to Odessa to see the city. That was in August, 1992.

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VF: But, you know, as regards Odessites, in 2014 they really hoped that you would come “see the city” for a second time.

AB: I also hoped so.

VF: But you went to “see” Donetsk.

AB: Well, as you understand, I wanted to “see” Odessa, but, being in Donetsk, it was always necessary to balance desires with reality. 

VF: We all understand that any Russian Spring can be successful in a case in which we observe a confusion of the regional elites. In your knowledge, was any work with the elites engaged in in Odessa?

AB: Are you talking about Odessa? It’s very difficult to answer the question about the city in particular.

VF: I’m talking about the region. Because, it appears to me that it would have been logical, in a military sense, to go for Odessa after Crimea, through Kherson…and then to Transnistria. Then, first of all, there would be no problem with the blockade of Transnistria, and secondly, Ukraine would be cut off from the sea today.

AB: We all think of ourselves as great strategists. Shota Rustaveli had a wonderful phrase. It goes like “The knight in the panther’s skin”, no? “Everyone fancies himself a strategist in seeing the fight from the side.”

So, such is the story. This is a transparent hint.

….in my opinion, you’re asking why the rest of Ukraine..

VF: Hasn’t collapsed!

AB: It hasn’t collapsed.

….

VF: Correct! Because, according to my logic, she was supposed to wither away in the spring of 2014 without any of the help of Alexander Boroday, for example.

AB: you know, in my opinion, here the tremendous organizational and financial resources of the west, which didn’t allow Ukraine to just fall apart, played a role. This is why contemporary Ukraine is a puppet state. It is a state governed as a puppet state. A territory governed by the West, by the United States of America. That is, resources were thrown in. 

I am not saying that the United States staged the Maidan. Now everyone understands that this is not entirely so. Another thing is that the situation which arose due to the Maidan was used by Western intelligence services, including the US secret services, to maximize their influence on the territory of Ukraine. And I must say that they have achieved a lot. 

VF: Interesting.

AB: They “glued together,” if  you will, a crumbling Ukraine.

VF: Sorry, but who staged the Maidan then?

AB: Im my opinion, the Maidan was staged, excuse me, above all by the Ukrainian oligarchs. And, naturally, it accumulated the discontent of the people. It was the presumptuous, absolutely jerk clan of Yanukovich, in my opinion, which broke the internal balance of the Ukrainian oligarchical elite simply thanks to their own greed and stupidity.

VF: Thus it was, yes.

AB: The balance was broken, after which the Ukrainian elite, using the discontent of the people, the absolutely sincere, honest discontent of the people, overthrew the Yanukovich regime.

VF: …But the point is that, first of all, the Maidan was being cooked up since 2011, the year when Yanukovich came to power. That’s the first point. And the second, well, who would go to the Maidan without any guarantee that the results of the Maidan will be recognized worldwide? It is complete idiocy, a year and a half before presidential elections, to overthrow the president, and here what you are saying about “complete discontent of the population” fits in.

AB: The discontent of the population was colossal. Generally speaking, I can perfectly imagine how it was for the residents of Ukraine to be tired of 23 years of constant oligarchical shuffles.

VF: Yes.

AB: The constant struggle of clans.

VF: But for us, Yanukovich, no matter what, was “pro-Russian”, so half..

AB: Who is “us?”

VF: For the South-East, Yanukovich was still the “lesser evil.” The population didn’t love him, didn’t want to support him, but didn’t want to interfere…

AB: They didn’t love him, they despised him. This is objective. In the South-East of Ukraine and  in other parts of Ukraine he was hated. 

The difference, by and large, is unimportant.

As regards the “pro-Russian” stance of Yanukovich, excuse me,  but for me, a person who never lived in Ukraine but who visited there regularly for a number of different reasons, it was obvious that Yanukovich didn’t have any kind of pro-Russian sentiment.

VF: Understood.

AB: And I think that this was obvious not only to me. I am not trying to make myself seem to be the only smart one who had an epiphany and realized this.

VF: Undoubtedly. But the pro-Russian population of Ukraine, as they called us, thought that Putin gave us Yanukovich, and they believed that Putin needed to sort things out with Yanukovich.

Let them send somebody else. But there wasn’t anybody else.

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(Continued in Part 2)

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